A Reader Writes…
My husband of 8 years who I have been with for 13 years in total walked out on myself and our two children (aged 18 months and 3 years) a year ago on Father’s Day. It was totally unexpected. Even now, I never saw it coming. There were some clues in the few weeks before he walked out on us but he was just quiet and not himself and I couldn’t put my finger on it. I had asked him what was wrong and he said he was unhappy but didn’t know why or that he was stressed about work.
For almost two months he came and visited us but never stayed. He would say strange things like we were just friends who ended up having children together, that we were better off apart, that we should go right back to the start of our relationship again. All very strange. In this time he also requested he have his own bank account ( we had a joint one) and he said he wanted to live on his own because he had never done this since we were at university. He also told my mum he had seen a better life than the one we had and that if he didn’t leave now he never would. During this time I had no contact from anyone in his family – again very odd as his mum used to ring us daily!
When he did visit us during these two months he was on edge and anxious. I asked him to see a doctor but he wouldn’t. He would shake and get all anxious and then have to leave us. Again very odd behaviour. He even said he wished he never felt like this and thought about killing himself.
After almost two months he came away on a planned holiday with us. We had a lovely time although we never shared a bed. He never held my hand or touched me from the moment he walked out on us back on Father’s Day. Again very odd as he has always been a touchy – feely person.
On our return from holiday I found a woman waiting for us at home. He had been having an affair for the last 9 months. He cried and begged to stay, said he only loved me and thought about me every day he was gone (he had been living with her) and that something kept pulling him back to me etc etc.
So he stayed, but never shared a bed with me and never was touchy-feely and to be honest I guess, never made an effort to make up for what he had done. A few weeks later he walked out on us again. He set up home on his own and said he wanted to decide if he wanted to come back to me and the children. A few days later, by text, he says he wants a divorce. Then a few days later says he is happy to try again…then he says he doesn’t and then he does… so this emotional roller coaster goes on for a few months.
Five months after he left us originally I discover he never stopped seeing the other woman.
I decided, as your book suggests, giving him 6 months from the point of him saying that was it and that takes us to roughly now. Nothing has changed. He is so cold towards myself and the children. He seems to have distanced himself from us totally and turned off every emotion he ever had towards us. He sees the children regularly but how he is with them has changed and I can’t quite put my finger on it.
We do not hear from him during the week and contact is on his terms. He rings us occasionally but only speaks to the children. He always withholds his phone number so we have his work email address for him as the only means of contacting him. I don’t even know where he lives except for the town. It’s like he is trying to pretend we don’t exist. If he rings and we are out the I get an email questioning where I am, but I never know if he is ringing so I can’t stay in just in case.
He has pushed and pushed for a divorce and I have agreed. Our home is up for sale as I can’t afford to take the mortgage on myself although he keeps saying I don’t have to move if I don’t want to. I don’t know where we will go yet.
Shortly after he left I had a miscarriage. We didn’t realise I was pregnant. He has never discussed this with me and I went through it alone. He just doesn’t seem to care.
I have changed and he acknowledges this. I like to be in control and he likes to please people. He never speaks up about things and I just plough on in with stuff! But now I am the opposite and feel so much better for it. He says he gave up trying to hope I would change and got talking this woman at work. But then he needed to change too – he had to stand up to me, his mum, everyone but he never did. Until this. He stands up to his mum now – I have heard him on the phone to her.
We were actually quite happy, no money worries, two children, good jobs…he just says he was unhappy. But he doesn’t look happy now. He has the most awful bags under his eyes, is thin, short of money and in debt. When I try to talk to him about it, he says he is just tired. He has had two car crashes since leaving me and I have been blamed for both- he said he was tired which was my fault! He used to be such a careful driver.
He thinks having an affair makes him feel better, that didn’t work so now he needs to divorce me. In his own words he wants to tie up the loose ends so he can move on…
I think he is still with this woman, but he refuses to tell me her name, even now. He has told me not to contact his mum as she won’t answer the phone to me ( I have no idea why) and he doesn’t want me to have anything else to do with anyone in his family. But then he tells me he has never said anything bad about me to them?!
His behaviour is so strange. He said under the resentment he knows there is love for me, but now he ignores this fact when I mention it. He says nothing will ever change because he doesn’t want it to.
He never discusses anything in person with me. He sends me emails late at night that are so awful I go to sleep crying. I have asked him to speak to me not email me and he says its easier to email because that way we don’t row…but the weird thing is we have hardly rowed in the last 6 months!
Our daughter has her birthday soon and he won’t come to her party. He says it will be too awkward. She is heartbroken. He seems to be distancing himself further and further from us. He has removed everything of his from our home and is so matter of fact about sorting things. His emails are like business emails.
I have found things quite hard and I’m on anti depressants. I struggled at work and got to a low point but am coming back now. I work full time and it is exhausting with the two small children. He never offers to help me – before this he worshipped me and them and looked after us. I couldn’t have asked for a kinder husband.
He now says we have nothing in common. When I try to talk to him about it he says he has changed but when I then say I think he has changed due to things he does to us he then claims he hasn’t changed and is still the same as he was!
I feel very much in limbo. On one hand I still love him very much but on the other the horrible things he has done to us and what he continues to do to us make me want to run as far away from him as possible. But something isn’t right about any of this, and that something is making me hold on. But am I holding on to something that is never coming back? He has done exactly what his dad did to his mum (and then wife number two!) and that his aunt did to her husband. He comes from a family where you run away from things and don’t deal with them. When we first met he was always so worried I would leave him and yet he is the one that did it to me.
On a positive note, I can cope as a single mum to two children, budget well, hold down (just) a full time teaching job and have two happy well loved children. But there is a massive hole on our life.
Sorry for rambling. I know I am not perfect but I have changed. I have read so many letters on your website with elements of my story in and it is so heartbreaking for these families. I am looking forward to your new book in September although I fear it is too late for me maybe.
Andrew Replies…
I’m afraid your story is a very common one. It’s tough having two children under five because as all the bonding hormone oxytocin goes into the mother-and-child relationship. It takes about eighteen months to recover and bang you’ve got another child. During this period, the woman is unlikely be spontaneously horny (but it doesn’t mean that she can’t be sexually response and coaxed into love making) sadly lots of men think their wife doesn’t fancy or love them any more. (I cover all this is my book Make Love Like a Prairie Vole). Throw in the problems that it is easy to become mother and father than husband and wife—hence my new book—and thing are tough.
Unfortunately, you’ve got a third ingredient. You can be controlling and he’s a people-pleaser. And when you’ve a full-time job and two children, there’s a lot that needs to be organised! Instead of saying he’s got a problem, he keeps the peace and say ‘yes dear’ and ‘how high do you want me to jump’ and then resents it. (I explain the alternative—about being assertive—in my current book My Wife Doesn’t Love Me Anymore. Please read it as it will help your dealings with your husband whatever happens.)
Finally, we have the really dangerous element. He was taught as a small child that if there’s conflict that the only solution is to run away. Throw in popular culture and the idea that ‘love will save the day’ it’s no wonder that he imagines that his affair will make him feel better. The same myth about love makes you keep running because when one relationship does not deliver the promised land, you tell yourself ‘it can’t have been REAL love’ and you’re off to chase the next rainbow (and marriage number three, four, five….)
I’m pleased that my books have kept you sane. I’m sure the next one will help – My Husband Doesn’t Love Me and He’s Texting Someone Else. So what should you do? I would suggest more of the same, keeping the show on the road at home, trying not to judge him (or draw conclusions about his motives might be – because I think he’s truly all over the place and changing not just by the day but by the minute) and when he blames you for his problems to try and rise above it (because rowing about it will achieve nothing).
Finally, I would aim to be more assertive, use the ideas of TA (Help your partner say yes) and aim to have an adult-to-adult relationship. I know all this is really tough and that’s why I would recommend looking into MINDFULNESS which is about living in the moment and quietening our over-active mind. If this sounds interesting, I would start with Full Catastrophe Living by Jon Kabat Zinn. There’s some other suggestions in the back of My Husband Doesn’t Love Me Any More.
Finally, you’ve been tested and come through in reasonably good shape. You have a lot to be proud about and I have confidence that you will manage the next part of your journey in the same manner.
Louise says
Dear Andrew, it’s eerie how similar this woman’s story is to mine. I really need some advice. My husband and I have been together for 9 years and now separated for 7 months, we do not have any children, although we were planning to in the next couple of years (we are in our early 30’s).
Since leaving my husband has distanced himself from shared or old friends, our home or refuses to see our dog.
We have seen each other for a meal on average fortnightly since he left, speak on the phone perhaps once a week and keep in polite text message contact every other day. I generally initiate however if I don’t reach out for a couple of days he will.
He had been behaving a bit oddly before he told me he was unhappy and left, mainly criticising me and being a bit short. I would ask if I did something to bother him and the answer was always no. I knew he was stressed at work and put it down to that. Around that time he also started talking constantly about a woman at his work who I knew and had seen how she doted on him. This was about 9 months ago.
Then we had a big fight and I was very mean to him when he told me he was feeling lonely, I was feeling very insecure, attacked and hurt and unfortunately lashed out at him. I have apologised profusely for the pain I caused him when he was trying to be vulnerable with me. I still feel so much guilt. Initially I thought he forgave me, he was loving and normal again but he has since said he can’t get over it. He remains (on and off) very angry and resentful towards me over 9 months later and blames me for all our relationship problems.
After the fight and before he left, he said he was unhappy and couldn’t see a future with me, I fell apart, crying, begging, asking him to go to counselling, he refused.
He then moved out and asked for time and space, he used many cliches (although I’m sure he believes them) including he loved me but was not in love with me, that we were wrong for one another, that I didn’t understand him, that we could be friends, that I rejected him and made him lonely, that he lost the emotional connection, and wanted a divorce. That he should never have gotten married and our life wasn’t what he wanted. He had led the charge and we had made decisions together. I am a fairly flexible person and not an overbearing personality, we did things on his terms most of the time.
After he left he said things like our relationship could still work, or this is a reset or his feelings might change.
He maintains that he still loves and cares for me but doesn’t show it in his actions. He also says he has fallen out of love with me and he doesn’t believe relationships should take work. This is completely contradictory to how we discussed facing problems if they arose in our marriage. In some ways we had been very lucky not to have had any real issues or rough patches until about 6 months before he left when I started struggling with depression and he had a lot of pressure at work, the other woman at his work was there in it with him, he sees her doing her job as supporting him.
He has now told me he is seeing that other woman, he won’t say how long for but I suspect quite some time. He said he doesn’t know where it’s going but it makes him feel good. This same woman he used to find unpleasant and irritating to be around as she was so needy for his attention. He also told me that he didn’t want to give me hope but he and I may still work in the future and that we are suited to each other it just wasn’t working. However he’ll then say angry, cruel and hurtful things to me . I can’t understand, is he confused? Does he just say nice things in an effort to appear nice and ease his conscience? Why the anger if he is so happy with what he is doing? I’m sure he knows what he is doing is wrong and is hurting me greatly but it doesn’t seem to move him. He tells me he is saddened by what has happened but he’s made the right decision. It’s all very confusing. The only constant is his steadfast refusal to come home or tell me where he is living.
I have made so many changes since he left, my depression is no longer an issue (it was situational not clinical) and I have tried to be understanding, calm and empathetic when we speak. I’m putting effort into learning about his work and interests. I am working on not interrupting him when he tries to share his feelings or putting forward my point of view. I can understand how his loneliness and feelings of rejection may have left him vulnerable to another, however I have continued to tell him he made me happy and I love him (not constantly perhaps every month or so when he has asked how I feel about the relationship), accept that our marriage has run into difficulties but want it to work and believe it still could. I have a huge amount of forgiveness and love for him but he refuses it and continues to pursue the other woman. They spend their days together, work towards the same goals and now spend their evenings together. I feel incredibly alone, I don’t want to give up and move on, however I’m at a loss as to what I can do to bring my husband back, I know anything I try will take time and there is no guarantee but I’m willing to try anything. If you have any advice on how I could possibly turn this situation around and get my husband to see me as a safe space to eventually come back to it would be truly and greatly appreciated.
Andrew G. Marshall says
Why does your husband say nice things one moment and act cruelly or angrily another? For the nice…. he is trying to keep his options open. For the nasty, sadly men are not brought up to express their feelings – they just let them simmer, and unprocessed they come out as anger. I suspect that he was involved or interested in the other woman before he left and she was the catalyst for him moving out. What can you do? Sadly, it sounds like he has been lying to himself for a long time. Firstly, I’m not that unhappy. Secondly, my friendship is not serious so I don’t have to say anything. Thirdly, it’s not about my wife so I don’t need to tell her. So I doubt he will wake up and realise that the other woman is not the solution – for quite some time. If you want to save this marriage, it sounds like you have made a great start by keeping calm and improving your communication. Continue to work on yourself – see my book ‘Wake Up and Change Your Life’. You might find it helpful to have the support of other people in a similar place in my group. I have videos and do regular events that I think you will find useful.
Sara says
My husband left me 6 months ago for another woman. 3 weeks ago he called me telling me he missed me, loves me and wants to work out our marriage. I told him I dont know and then it came out that i was talking to someone else. He flipped outgot mad and said he didnt want to live anymore. He said he also went to the hospital bc he had a small heart attack. Well that next day his sister called me and told me that he loves me and couldn’t picture his life without me. I thought about it and I decided to try to work it out and me and our daughter moved back in. Well after 3 weeks he came home and told me that this other woman might be pregnant and he doesnt want to be with me anymore. He said this girl makes him happy and he loves her. A few days later he wrote a text message to me and his family saying that he loves this girl and she makes him happy. The text he sent everyone also said pretty much that everyone hates him for what he is doing to me and that he doesnt want to live anymore. He didnt hurt himself thank god. But he is doing this because this other woman doesnt want to be with him bc she found out that he had sex with other women while they were talking. And this woman might be pregnant. I’m so confused and I dont know what to do anymore. I love him and I cant believe he has done all this and put our daughter through all of this. By the way I am 31 and his is about to be 36. We have been together for 15 years and married for 10. Please help me get some understanding of this. Thank you
Andrew G. Marshall says
Your husband is in panic mode. He is all over the place. Thinking one thing one moment, and another the next. Men are trained to fix problems and instead of understanding what the real problem might be, looks for a quick solution. It might be promising everything to get you back. It might be promising his mistress what she wants to hear. In fact, he is probably listening to the last person he spoke to at the moment. If you want to get to the bottom of what’s going on, I suggest you buy him ‘Why did I cheat?’ It explains to men why they have been unfaithful, how to look beneath the surface (because I doubt this woman is really making him happy, in face I am sure his life is a nightmare at the moment). If you want to know more about how to cope, look at my book ‘My husband doesn’t love me and he’s texting someone else.’